Kevin Sturmer 0:10
Hello, my name is Kevin Sturmer. And welcome to the first episode of a moving tale sponsored by the outermost ring. Before we get to my incredible first guest, I want to answer the question that I've been getting a lot - what is the Outermost Ring? It is the title of a musical I'm writing and I like the philosophy so much that I made it the core of my company. It refers to the rings of a tree, and as a tree grows and expands, it adds one ring for each year of its life. Now the Outermost Ring refers to the present or the current time. And I like the idea that we are always learning, always growing and always taking new shape, while never losing sight of where we've been, and what's at our core. What I also love is that we've partnered with Trees for the Future, and that for each podcast episode, we donate 100 trees to be planted in their forests around the world. My first guest helped me realize that the through line of my entire life has been telling stories, whether that's been stories on stage, or stories in a conference room, visual stories, or even telling stories through music that I've written, it's all about sharing a message with an audience that needs to hear it. And if you spent any time following Outermost Ring on social, you know, we talk a lot about storytelling, and this entire podcast, this Moving Tale is all about meeting some incredible people and talking about what makes a great story, what it takes to put those stories together, how we effectively can share those with the world. Every person listening to this podcast right now has a story to tell whether you know it or not, the great story you have is already inside of you. And what's equally important is that someone in the world needs to hear that story right now. You will make somebody's life change for the better if you share your voice. And that's why I'm writing musicals again, that I've been thinking about for over a decade. That is why I'm doing this podcast that I've been thinking about for years. And my guest today leads a life that has been filled with wonderful stories. His father was a former police chief, his mother, a journalist for CNN. He found a passion for performing at an early age that brought him all the way to the heights of Hollywood on the first season of American Idol. He's been on Broadway six times. He's Dr. Pepper's Lil Sweet, and now he's changing lives by building core confidence. He has a new book coming out, and we're going to get to all of it. So lean in, because you are about to hear A Moving Tale from my guest, Justin Guarini.
Justin Guarini 2:50
Hey, that was a great introduction. I don't even know if we have to have the interview. Now with that wonderful intro. I think they know all they need to know.
Kevin Sturmer 2:58
There's so much more, so much more. And I'm excited about all of this. And we're gonna get to this, but before we get to the role that confidence has played throughout your life. And before we get to storytelling, and how the confidence can affect how we show up and tell those stories. Let's take our cue from the Sound of Music as we are both theater people and start at the very beginning. It's a very good place to start. When you read you begin with ABC. And I remember and you can tell me that, is there a band, maybe back in the 70s that had a song with ABC that may have factored into a pivotal moment in your life? And if yes, can you tell me the name of the band?
Justin Guarini 3:38
And that's why I love it when people do their homework. And yes, of course, that band would be the Jackson Five. And they played extremely pivotal role, actually, in the mid 80s, when I saw them in a stadium in Atlanta was the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium in Georgia, which no longer exists, but it's where the Braves used to play. It was back in the days when you could sell out a stadium on a national tour for musical act, right? I mean, it is very, very difficult to do that these days. But in the 80s before we had all the different ways you could get to music and media, people were selling out stadiums. And so in 1986, the Jackson Five got back together on what was called the victory tour. And it was amazing because Michael was Michael, right. He had had huge success. But he was not. He was not quite the Michael that he became in the late 80s 90s. And so he got back together with his brothers on tour, and I was there in the audience one night and because my father was a major in the police force at the time and responsible for a lot of the security in the stadium that was his zone. And he was also family friends with the Jacksons and just had his fingers in many different pies in the music industry. I got to be there in the audience. But I also got to experience backstage life with the Jacksons on this massive tour. And so the pivotal moment came for me. I remember being in the audience and I remember, at a certain point, looking up at the stage and seeing the lights, and the smoke and the thump of the kick drum in my chest, from the huge speakers, and the costumes, and the music and the choreography, and then the energy of the audience, and how it was just ebbing and flowing. And it was the most beautiful moment. And I remember pointing to the stage and saying to no one in particular, other than myself, I want to do that. And that was it, it was a very simple moment that I remember so vividly. Because now you know, I was eight, then I'm 42 now. Now I recognize that I opened up a loop, I opened up and I called out into the world, the universe, whatever you want to call it. I called out an intention, pure without ego, without any sort of desire for money. It was an energetic intention that I said, I just want to do that. And the subtext for that is I want to feel this way. And what I didn't understand is, I want to make other people feel this way. But I wouldn't understand that at eight years old, I understand it now. And so if you take that moment, and you see it as the open loop, and you follow the genesis of how it grew, I would go from there at eight years of age and singing the choirs at school and do the musicals at school and then go to study vocal performance and musical theater in college and then acting in college. And then I would go down, and I would pursue music in Miami. And and just fail miserably and come home with my tail between my legs in my early 20s. And then there would be this moment where my mom would say, Hey, I saw this commercial for this thing on TV, you may want to go check it out. So I went to fox.com/AmericanIdol. And it began the journey that's history. But the moment I found myself after American Idol after performing for 30 million people week in and week out after making movie after making an album, I found myself on an elevator coming up on a stage in an arena with 30,000 people screaming my name screaming for me smoke, lights, music, I found myself on the stage that I as an eight year old pointed at and said I want to do that I was in the act of doing that thing. And so I became that person that that eight year old wanted to be. And then to put a little bow on this story, the real true genesis of that loop, which was closed, I would say at that moment, I became that person singing and all that stuff and the touring into at 22. But now at 42 years of age, I look back on that moment. And I say yes, I fulfilled that dream that eight year old boy had as a 22 year old on the stage to doing that thing, right in front of 10s of 1000s of people. But the true gift of that is that I hope that someone else, maybe an eight year old in the audience pointed to me and said, I want to do that. That's legacy. And that's the power that I hope I opened a loop for someone else. And that's now what I've moved to in my life is to really create legacy. And that's something that lasts longer than I ever will.
Kevin Sturmer 8:41
I love that story. There's so much to unwrap in that. Also, I love the way you told it. And you've made us feel like we were all there and in those moments with you, and correct me if I'm wrong. But on American Idol, you were on that stage that he first moonwalked...
Justin Guarini 8:59
You know, you want to talk about those moments where there's a fork in the road, right? And you have to make a choice. And both choices seem good, but you don't know which one to make. And that's where faith comes in for me. And that can mean more than religion. Although, you know, I like to say that, you know, faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not yet seen. Right, which is a quote directly from the Bible. But I found myself during the American Idol process, having gotten this yellow piece of paper that they told me was a golden ticket that I was like, oh, nobody knew what that was right? It was like the free trip to LA. Awesome, right? And so I was in the parking lot about to go into work. And I was working at this great DJ company and doing like a lot of bar and Bat Mitzvahs and weddings and I was the I was the kid who showed up and was like party pumping and having a great time and like would dance with the bubbeleh and keep the kids away from mom and dad who spent $30,000 on a birthday party. And so I'm sitting in the parking lot. And I had the first part of the fork in the road moment where I was going to LA and going to do this thing in LA and you know, who knows, I might get cut whatnot. But then I had been for years auditioning for this this tiny Disney show called The Lion King on Broadway, right? years, I had been auditioning for it, I gotten all the way through the rounds, to the to the point of being hired or not hired and they were like, we want we want you for years. We want you to be in the right place for you. And you know, anybody who's ever been through this process, as you no doubt know, Kevin and and, and just actors, especially in theater, you can sometimes audition for years, right? Just to get a role in the chorus at times. And so that was the track that I was on. And wouldn't you know it after I got this golden ticket? You know, the joke, right? Oh, wait, oh, it's Broadway calling right? Like, and literally Broadway was calling. When my phone rang, I picked it up. It was Jay Binder's office who cast The Lion King. And they're like, we finally have the role for you. And we think you're perfect for it. It's gonna be your Broadway debut. When can you start? And I was like, ahhhh, well, there's a show called American Idol. It's on La. I'm going in a few days Can I call you in a week? And I'm like, Okay, fine. So, I go out to LA, it's Hollywood week, designed to exhaust you designed to intimidate you designed to make you put you through every single pace that you could possibly be put through. And I got to the place where I had to call Jay Binder's office back and say yes or no to this bird in the hand, this thing that I'd wanted to do for the majority of my life, right? I found myself in the Pasadena Civic Center, I was walking down the vom the aisle. And the Pasadena Civic Center is one of those old theaters where you can like it's like an old church, you can smell the wood, you can smell the history of the place. It's just got this hallowed sense. And I was walking down the vom and I looked up at the American Idol stage, knowing that I had to make this choice between Broadway and between the show I didn't. Nobody had ever heard of but kind of felt good and made sense. And so I look up at the stage. And again, I see the big American Idol, elliptical logo, the lights, the dais is where the judges sat, you know, the little Coca Cola cans and bottles stuff up there. And I looked over to my right, and I saw all of the hopefuls all the kids who are just as exhausted as I was sitting out in the audience who had been giving their all for this past four or five days, and been going through cut after cut after cut after cut. And there were still rounds of cuts to go and yet there was joy, there was laughter people were having such a good time not knowing if they would be there tomorrow. And I just started crying. It came out of nowhere. And I just I was like trying to like hide my face and as well. Okay, what's wrong, what's going on? And I looked up at the stage again. And I recognized that that was the stage we're at the 50th anniversary of Motown, Michael Jackson, for the first time ever did the moonwalk and completely turned the world on its head at the time, right? And it would then become a such a signature for many of our lives. Like it's one of those momentous moments, right? And anytime you saw it, we all tried to do it. And yet that was the stage that I was performing on. So many of the people that I knew love respected reasons why I got into this industry had performed on that stage. And something inside of me said this is right. Back literally this voice inside of me said this is right. And when it comes to bringing it back around to faith, when it comes back to surrendering, when it comes back to making a choice, and listening to yourself, to allow that voice whether it's God whether it's your higher self, whether it's spirit, whether it's just pure logic, allowing that voice to come out and speak to you and to listen to it. It changed my entire life. And so I called Jay Binder up and I said thank you so very, very much for this opportunity. I've wanted to be on Broadway my entire life. It's been part of a dream for me, but and please keep me in mind for the future. But I think I'm going to go for this other thing. And I did it not knowing that I mean I might be I might have been cut that very next day who knows so many things are up in the air but the the bow on this story is that years and years almost 10 years later, I would find myself opening my very first Broadway show Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown. After going through all the highs and lows you can imagine in the entertainment industry in terms of the pop music world and all that and coming back to my roots of musical theater that I love, and the opening night party was in Times Square in the hotel, in one of the conference rooms that I sat, and I waited to audition for the very first day of American Idol. Wow, that is, that is full circle. Yeah. Like soul circle, right. It's like baffling. And yet, had I made the choice to be on Broadway, it would have just been different. But isn't it interesting how it came back around to that place anyway. But I came back to that place in a much stronger position. Literally, instead of being in the chorus, I was lead a principal, you know.
Kevin Sturmer 15:44
You were a principal. You were Carlos in Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown. You went on to do a handful of other shows on Broadway, including Wicked as Fiyero - just incredible to watch the journey. And it's interesting when you tell stories, and that you really want to make sure that you've finished your story. But you don't really know when it's ever finished. So that you know the bow, we talked about these bows that you've been putting on top of these stories. Sometimes they happen immediately, but sometimes it takes years for you to go, 'Oh, that is why I've been on this path.' And that's truly where this faith comes in. And I want to talk about managing your emotions when you tell a story. So when you're telling that story about hearing about Tina Fey, say that you've you've lost your record contract. When you're telling a story on a Broadway stage, you need to be able to conjure up those emotions and bring the audience on the journey that they need to hear. How do you manage it so you're not getting welled up? So it's not choking you in the throat and you're able to deliver the story or the song, are there any techniques that you use? And then finally, what is the role that confidence plays in all of that as well?
Justin Guarini 16:56
Yeah, yeah, there's, I mean, that's, that's a great question. And there is like, as you say, a ton to unpack in there. You know, when we start, I wanted to start at the first point of what you're saying. And for those who might not know the Tina Fey story, I'll just give you Cliff Notes. I was living in LA. I was millionaire at the age of 22. Living in a mansion with all of this stuff, the fame, the money, the fortune that all everything the cars, and I was miserable. My album tanked my movie tanked. And all I wanted to do while the rest of La was playing was just relax on a Saturday night in my castle. I turn on the TV. SNL was on Tina Fey was reading Weekend Update, my face came up next to her head. And she said in this week's news, American Idol Star Justin gorini was dropped from his record label. And now he looks like this. And they flip the picture to a picture of Art Garfunkel who has the same kind of hair significantly older. And that was really, I mean, it's funny, it's a great joke. problem is is that I didn't know that I was being dropped for my record label. So I had to find that out from SNL, along with millions of other viewers. And so that brought so many of the walls crashing down around me emotionally, mentally. Then when it comes to telling stories like the ones I've told you, the ones you need want to tell on any stage. The way to go about it is remembering that any good story, any good scene, any good musical theater number has a beginning, a middle and an end. Right basics, what we learned in grade school speaking ABCs every good scene has a beginning, a middle and an end. And it's about creating for a visual like the roller coaster ride, right? If a roller coaster was a straight line, nobody ride him ride, you got to have the up the down your rounds, looping back. And, and again, it's got to arrive back at the station at the end. And so I love roller coasters. But when it comes to the next part of your question, which is like how do I tell that story without getting welled up? I don't know that you should stop any of those things. Now, yes, there comes a point where it's like I must deliver the story, right? If I'm going to break down and cry to the point where I can't speak, then that's that's a challenge that you need to get through. But I would encourage you repetition, repetition, repetition is going to help you through those moments. Because eventually, as you release the charge that's around that emotional moment as you release it again, and again, keep telling that storyteller to as many people as you can over and over and over again. If you find I keep going back to this point in the story, and I'm living it so much in the present that it overwhelms me, then you might want to find a sort of, you know, speaking of fork in the road, like think like a railroad right? You just throw the switch and you kind of go around a little bit. You're s till going in the same direction, but you might not get so close to it. Because the problem then becomes, I get so close to this thing, I'm so vulnerable, I'm so open, I'm so present in the moment that I become lost in it. And when I become lost in it as the conductor of the story as the conductor of the train, as the person who is up on the stage leading this experience, when I become lost, my audience becomes lost. So, that in terms of managing your emotions, the repetition, the repetition, releasing the charge around it, because there becomes this place when you do that a balance of I can allow myself to go there, I can skim along the surface, like one of those skates, you know, that use those skate things that you see on the water, right, and I'm still a part of it. But I'm not being dunked into it and drowning in the whole thing. When it comes to telling a story, the number one reason why we buy anything, why we pretty much do anything, is because we feel like doing it. Because we feel like buying it, we go to a musical over and over and over again. When I was an American Idiot, there were these people who would come every single night for weeks. Why? Because the show made them feel something. The music we love makes us feel something the clothes that we go out to buy, we don't think, this is an amazing textile. And my goodness, how well constructed isn't it's going to is this is this is really going to meet some of my higher mazovian needs of food, shelter, water. No, we don't think any of that we think oh, I look good in this, I feel so cool. This feels so good on my skin. And oh, you know what, you know, the XYZ person is going to really love me and this and that makes me feel sexier makes me feel whatever. So when you're telling a story, you must make the audience feel something and you yourself must feel something to so the more that you can feel that and the more that you can paint the picture, because you'll notice in my stories, I say, you know, is there and I saw the lights. And I saw the smoke and the smell of the wood, use the senses, right? And I touched the chair in the theater. And that's sort of velour covering that was read that just felt like silk underneath my fingers. We all know what that feels like. Yeah. And it takes the the listener there, I heard this, I saw that this was the colors. That was the feeling. And so the more you can put yourself there, the more you can take the audience there as well. And then, at the end of all of this when it comes down to confidence, how does confidence play in telling your story or delivering your message whether you're an actor, singer, a dancer, an entrepreneur, an author, an influencer a podcaster? How does confidence come into all that it's confidence is just trust. Because if we look at the root word of confidence, it's confide the English root word anyway, it's confide, which means to trust. And so when we don't confide in self, when we don't have confidence in ourselves, it just means that we don't trust ourselves and think about all of the decisions we've made in our lives. where something good happened, it was more often than not, because we trusted our instincts, we trusted ourself, we trusted ourselves enough to trust someone else. And so trust is a huge, huge part of storytelling. And the last thing I'll say about it is, you know, one of the keys to trust is something that we are all so deathly afraid of, but I've learned to become real good friends with. And that's failure. Failure is the gateway to everything you ever want in your body, your relationships, your spirituality, your business, and anything in life. And so I'll I'll finish by saying this, I love telling people and I know you've heard this, Kevin, before that, everything you want the body you want the spiritual connection, the relationships, the business you want, everything you want, is waiting for you, just on the other side of your willingness to fail and fail publicly, in the biggest ways possible. And it's so true, because look at your story, Kevin, my story, anybody who's had success, and you will see that is built on the back of massive failure.
Kevin Sturmer 24:36
It's removing that fear of failure that allows us to succeed and what I love is that you talked a lot about trust, when it comes to confidence. And every single one of your stories, whether we're talking about seeing the Jackson Five, setting that goal for yourself and you trusted yourself to follow that path or whether we're talking about the story of seeing that stage. You trusted yourself enough to make that Lion King decision, and then say, you know what, I'm going to trust my gut, because that's all it is. It's about making daily decisions. And if you're consistent with making those over a period of time, suddenly large life moments happen. And trusting that yeah, it may be tricky. At first, it may not all come at once, it may ramp up six months or six years down the road, but it's going to happen if you keep at it. And if it's in your heart,...
Justin Guarini 25:30
yes, and I just want to interject one thing, and what stops people from trusting themselves, what stops people from going through that 3-, 6-, 9-, 12-month journey to get where they want to go, is because they see failure and pain, and even suffering as the destination, not the process. And anything that you want to change in your lives, anything, whether it's in your body, or your relationships, your spirituality, your business, and I use those four keys, because I think those are those four areas, because I think that the four major areas of life, anything that you want to change and expand and grow is going to come with failure. It's going to come with pain. It may come with suffering and sacrifice, but so many people don't even start the journey because they think about all the pain, they think about all the possibilities of failure. And they see that as the destination. And they don't recognize that it's just a part of the journey. Any journey you take, does that make sense?
Kevin Sturmer 26:31
That is wonderful. And it makes sense. And I can testify that it works. So full disclosure, I went through Justin's core confidence challenge many, many months ago, I am down 85 pounds, because of the daily decisions that I make
Justin Guarini 26:47
Kevin Sturmer 26:47
And once you realize, and get over that fear, and say that that's not your destination, then suddenly the other parts of your life start to change. And you realize that it's all connected. So we'll talk a little bit about core confidence and then about unshakable confidence, the book that you have coming out.
Justin Guarini 27:06
I mean, and again, I can't I've told you this before, I've got to tell you publicly, I'm so proud of the job that you have done. And I'm honored that I was a guide for you just to say, Hey, have you thought about this? And you're like, no ever thought about this, but I'm thinking right now, and then look at how that has affected so much of your life and the positive effect it's had on your body and your relationships and your business and your and all the things that come from shifting perspective and opening yourself up to a new possibility. Embracing pain and recognizing that it is part of the process. It just is the process. And if you stick with it long enough, eventually you begin to move from pain to the possibilities that your life has to offer. And you carve your own path along the way. And as I found myself, terrifically rejected. In an audition for a very big musical theater show, I was stuck in pain, I was stuck in suffering. And eventually I hit this threshold where I was like, I don't, I don't want to feel this way anymore. I said, Okay, how can I make sure that when I walk into an audition room, when I put myself out there that I don't feel like another number, like I don't feel like a cattle being, you know, led to slaughter. And it started me down a journey, where I started discovering and uncovering the secrets that I had done, subconsciously just learned and watched from other people. I just started asking like, Hey, what are some of your audition secrets? I mean, and I asked, just huge people like Kristin Chenoweth wrote back to me and so many people, Brian Stokes Mitchell, and so many other people who are amazing performers was named, you don't know. We all just started a conversation. And I eventually, with my own experiences, and looking into other people's experience that like you know what I'm gonna do, I'm just gonna write this this book. It's called audition secrets. I realized there's so many these simple concepts that are so powerful that will completely change the way people audition, and have changed the way that I've audition. And so I wrote this book, I started doing the course and started working with actors and performers and dancers and singers, and it was great. And yet, I just, it wasn't quite right. And I said, Okay, what's the distillation of all of this? And I recognized that everything that I was talking with people about all the questions they'd had for me over the years boiled down to one thing, and that was confidence, mostly a lack of confidence. And so I started diving in and studying what is confidence what it's not, how do you build it? How do you destroy it? And I came up with unshakeable confidence, this unshakeable confidence model. And it's four key skills that when you develop them and apply them to four key areas of your life, will allow you to be, do, have, and give more than you ever thought was possible. Those skills are clarity, commitment, creativity, and certainty. And then the four key skills and apply them to four key areas of life are your body, your spirituality, your relationships, and your business. And as I've explored this, I've been writing this book, unshakable confidence, which lays out the framework and you Kevin were like, at the beginning, it has grown and morphed and changed since you've seen it. Because when we talk about clarity, for example, you did the challenge, right. And we had five days. And you know, first day was clarity. Next one was commitment. The one after that was creativity and certainty, and we really dug deep. Now, those four pillars of what I call core confidence, have beneath them subsets, like and so what I mean is, we talked about facts versus the truth in clarity. And that's a whole nother podcast we can get into the elements of clarity are facts, feelings, focus, and fruit. And then the subsets of commitment, for example, are to define, decide, declare, and direct. So it's just continuing to morph and grow and and so I'm really excited because this book is going to lay out the framework, it's going to tell some of the stories that I have not shared publicly, and it's really going to help people get an idea of Okay, what is confidence? What is it not? How Oh, it's a skill. Oh, I thought you just had to be born with it or to have letters behind your name on this piece of paper you stack on the wall that shows you it so I'm super excited about the book and and super excited to just open up the conversation about what it means to trust yourself, and how to build that skill. So that you can be, do, have, and ultimately give more than you ever thought was possible.
Kevin Sturmer 32:20
Now, where can people go to find the book? Go to find you? And are you doing one on one training? What's coming up for you? With all of this?
Justin Guarini 32:29
Yes. The answer is yes. I'm super excited. I'm super excited you can go to Justin.club, Justin.club, not.com, Justin.club to find out everything that you need. It's the next genesis of what it is that I'm doing with my life. I'm continuing to sing and act and dance and God willing, everything goes well in the fall with the reopening of theatres. There's a show that I'm working on being in now. And so like, like it's all it's all happening and now my big thing is like, 'how do I manage this without going crazy?' You know what I mean? Like that's it, you know, how do I make sure that I take care of my wife and my children and and my my body and my business and my connection I spiritual and all of that. So, you know, that's my life
Kevin Sturmer 33:20
And it all is handled by faith.
Justin Guarini 33:23
Yes, it is.
Kevin Sturmer 33:24
Now that brings me to our final section here we have a game now and this this is sponsored by Full Out Creative, a small company with a big heart. They do live streaming producing videography, photography, and so much more. For details check out FullOutCreative.com. This is a little game I like to play with my guests called Full Out Facts. It's a game where I scour the internet to find fun and random facts about my guests.
Justin Guarini 33:50
Oh, no [laughs]
Kevin Sturmer 33:51
And find out if they are true already. I mean, I think drew falls you're in an acapella group called The Midnight Voices.
Justin Guarini 34:00
Yes, very true. It was an offshoot of the men's ensemble in high school and what we would do we called ourselves at midnight voices because we would go and it was tradition for our high school to go and serenade girls the night before graduation. And so the seniors the year that I was a sophomore, um freshmen, taught us to do this and and my friends and I decided you know what, this is a really cool tradition. Let's make an album and so we went into the literally in the church basement and we recorded the midnight voices album.
Kevin Sturmer 34:33
Amazing I love this okay,
Justin Guarini 34:35
To DAT. To DAT! I'll tell you, to digital audio tape so that let's you know when it was.
Kevin Sturmer 34:42
Yeah, okay. Well, I know I was an audio - so my production my major in college was was television radio audio production. I had to deal with DATs. I actually had to cut reel-to-reel with it with a razor blade. That's how old I am.
Justin Guarini 34:53
Kevin Sturmer 34:55
I love this. Okay, Midnight Voices absolutely true. True or false, Justin Guarini. In addition to being an amazing singer you play the piano, guitar, and banjo
Justin Guarini 35:05
Oh, uh. True, true, somewhat true. So piano yes I learned all my theory on piano I play guitar which I'm the most comfortable on and then I play banjo but I played like the cheater banjo which is like the banjo that's strung like a guitar. There's a banjo where it's like there's different tuning like the banjo tuning that like Earl Scruggs would use, I play the banjo that's tuned like a guitar
Kevin Sturmer 35:32
Now, was there a purpose involved for you starting to pick up pick up the banjo there...?
Justin Guarini 35:36
[laughs] No, not one bit. You know, I was on this show. On on Country Music Television CMT called Gone Country. And I won't go into what the show is about. It's not relevant. But I won a banjo signed by Earl Scruggs on that which is super cool. I have it, I love it. I'm gonna hang it up on the wall. And so that was real banjo. I don't play it of course, but I can play banjo as long as it's a cheater which is tune like a guitar.
Kevin Sturmer 36:06
Okay, I love that. And if anybody listening wants to revive Pump Boys and Dinettes, or you know Bright Star just call up Justin and he'll be great.
Justin Guarini 36:17
Call me. [laughs]
Kevin Sturmer 36:18
True or false, Justin Guarini. You are a wizard of Waverly Place.
Justin Guarini 36:23
I am not a wizard of Waverly Place. However, I played a reporter on the Wizards of Waverly Place which was a Selena Gomez show.
Kevin Sturmer 36:33
Do you remember your name? Oh, it was the same name twice.
Justin Guarini 36:38
No, tell me what it was
Kevin Sturmer 36:40
Justin Guarini 36:40
Keith Keith, that's right. That's so funny, Keith Keith. Of course he was all, he was a very Jim Carrey esque, goofy, big, larger than life, like, sort of a TMZ kind of reporter.
Kevin Sturmer 36:53
Yeah, I have it on good authority you were loved for that. So, bravo.
Justin Guarini 36:58
Kevin Sturmer 36:58
And the final one true or false? You were on The Oprah Winfrey Show where she told you that you have, 'it.'
Justin Guarini 37:05
Yeah, I was I actually found myself very fortunate to be on Oprah's actual show in Chicago with her, on set twice. And then interviewed on her, the network Where Are They Now? And so yeah, she was very kind to me. She's just a lovely human being. And being on her show was one of the highlights of my career because not only did I get to be interviewed one on one by her, she did compliment me and I think it's you know, that's one of the highest compliments you can get in media. I find myself very, very blessed to have that opportunity. And yeah, she's she's awesomely amazing.
Kevin Sturmer 37:46
And who are any of us to disagree with the big O, you do have 'it.' You have it in spades. You are a wonderful human being, I, thank you, thank you, thank you for coming. Thank you to have have me as your, as the first guest.
Justin Guarini 38:05
You having me as the first guest. Thank you!
Kevin Sturmer 38:08
Having you as my first guest. That is correct. I suppose I can. I can speak that correctly. But Justin guarini thank you so much for giving all of us A Moving Tale.
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